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Dictionary View All Dictionary Results. Start Your Free Trial. Join Now Or sign up using Facebook. Learn Japanese – JapanesePod Learning Kanji logical order. I’m just gakushu up Hiragana.
I know to truly learn Japanese grammar, I have to get my Kanji learning going. But for Hiragana its in a logical order.
Easier for my brain to proses. Two and a half weeks and I can read stuff pretty fast with it. With some beginner hiccups of course. Now when I look at Kanji I can not see a logical progression so I’m kinda stumped.
Where do I start? I think I have found my answer. But I could use some tips still. As the title suggests, it also has a great system to help kznji remember the characters. There’s a thread explaining it here: It does seem logical to learn Kanji starting with the basic radicals and working your way up, but I don’t feel this is the best way. I think the best way is to learn the most common kanji that you’ll see everyday first and then build your way up.
That way, you’ll be exposed to them more and become faster at recognizing them. There is a good book called Kanji Power that teaches the characters in the same order that the Japanese kids learn in school. It has a lot of examples, practice and is pretty detailed. You can also do what most people do, and study using the Kanjji order.
I just looked at Kanji Power today. Thought it looked good. But haven’t bought it yet. JLPT sounds like a good idea. I mean to really test myself. Why not use the proper test. But I really like the whole “Learning the most used. Is there a list. Or is that in Kanji Power? Also, if you’re having trouble becoming fluent with Katakana like I did set your gakusjuu browser and computer to Japanese. A lot of your computer’s options will be written in katakana so you’ll be exposed and forced to start reading the katakana, and you’ll be fluent in no time.
If that’s too much of a nuisance just change certain programs to Japanese. Actually I’m in Japanese locale on here. So that would be an easy task. Loving the 24 hour clock? If I may ask, what is your main method of study? The method so far is. Practice writing and saying the sounds. Then flashcard myself to death. Ill start with what i have learned that day. Then add all the past Hiragana. If there is something I don’t remember. I look it up right away to prevent the wrong answer from forming in my head.
So far in one gakishuu a half weeks. I have been able lanji retain and tsep Hiragana on simple words. Thats about it so far. I want to start learning Kanji to start reading words. So forth and so on. I know there is more to it.
But baby steps seems to be best. Im hoping to be able to have simple conversations by September. October I’m planning on a trip to japan. When learning, the Jyouyou are broken down into grades. The grades roughly introduce kanji in order of simplicity, usefulness, and frequency. But it’s geared towards Japanese school children not foreign learners. The grade school books by Shimomura Noboru http: The Gakushuu Kanji are probably a better intermediate goal for second language learners.
There are definitely diminishing returns when learning kanji. Its method for gakusbuu characters isn’t explicit but there is an underlying logic to how the characters are introduced. In most systems readings are learnt by putting kanji to vocabulary you already have, or by learning example vocabulary to cover the readings. A specific kanji test worth looking at is the kanken, although it’s gakusuhu to find a test centre outside Japan. The learning materials are useful though. I recommend the first version over the second kanken version.
I see a number of people doing this using Kanji Odyssey order on smart. If you do use Heisig to learn writing characters and the English keywords, I think it’s worth following the grade order to then learn the readings of the characters. You should see my tabs in firefox, just for Hilagana, language exchange, flashcards, worksheets, etc. This gives me good foundation materials to start with. I will look at each and see what will work for me. Learning without a class is hard.
But I have learned more because of it. At least I think. I have a knack for remembering Hiragana. But I also know this next step is much more involved and complicated. SO any more advice I will take but in a couple of days my first step will be take. What do you think of these studies? I have a hard enough time with a little more than the jouyou at times.
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Everything on food packaging seems to mercilessly use non-jouyou characters, for instance. Because I’ve noticed an unhealthy trend of. Use this japanese phrase. That is making them a parrot. So the learning of kanji to then learn grammar seems to be a better option.
I could be wrong though. What are gakushju thoughts? Of course, I can’t recommend kanji enough, but you can learn grammar and vocabulary with just kana.
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If you want to make the most out of your trip, then speaking and listening are going to be more important than reading and writing, so you might want to prioritise. If you still have an interest in pursuing the language when you get back, then you can try something like Heisig with Kanji Odyssey, and still become proficient with the writing system relatively quickly. It’s taken me three years to get to a level where I can read fairly comfortably as far as my vocabulary allows.
I’m a hopeless slacker, and my study methods were terrible until a few months ago, so it’s certainly feasible to surpass my level in half the time with a bit of structure and consistency.